It All Starts With Comics, As Usual
Last Wednesday, in Action Comics #21, a little something happened between Lois and Clark. And to cut you off before you make any natural assumptions, Superman is actually dating Wonder Woman in the present continuity. Anyway, I’ll let the panels speak for themselves:
And Then Comes The Controversy…
The title is currently being written by Tony Daniel, and what happened was that a reader actually began a Twitter conversation with him that started with the following exchange:
Now before I go on, I need to state that I cannot link to these actual tweets, as much as I would like to. As far as I can tell, Daniel’s Twitter account has been deactivated, likely due to the flak he received from over the above panels.
The man who started the conversation is Alton [his last name’s a mystery to me] and wrote about the back and forth in a post on his tumblr. You can click that link to read more, but I’m just going to embed a few more back and forths so that you can get the big picture:
Anyway, long story short, Daniel blocks Alton. Soon afterwards, as I mentioned, his Twitter account appears to have been taken down. Now I’m not here to harp on a comic book writer’s response to criticism [there have been worse instances], what I want to do is explore the idea of. . .
The Misogyny Behind the “Friend Zone”
I talked to a good number of girls before writing this, and arrived at the conclusion that the “friend zone” is used almost exclusively by guys. None of those I questioned could recall hearing their female friends ever use the term. Urban Dictionary would appear to back this up, featuring the expression as their Urban Word of the Day for October 18, 2011. Their definition:
What you attain after you fail to impress a woman you’re attracted to. Usually initiated by the woman saying, “You’re such a good friend”. Usually associated with long days of suffering and watching your love interest hop from one bad relationship to another. Verb tense is “Friend-ed”.
So we’ve established that, at least to a majority of people, the term “friend zone” is gendered, specifically to males. Now that we have some confidence that this is primarily used by men we can move into how it’s viewed as misogyny.
The source I turned to in understanding the hatred of women behind these words was a blog called The Vagenda, and the very simply titled “The Friend Zone.” Written using “anecdotal evidence and fifteen minutes on Facebook” I was pretty confident I’d get what I was looking for. [I am not being sarcastic.] Their motivations for being down on the term can be summed up in the following two reasons:
If a man acts like he wants to be my friend, I have enough respect for the male species that I’m going to assume there’s no ulterior motive. If he’s secretly in love with me, I expect him to have the balls to tell me. And you know, even if he does, I STILL might not sleep with him.
Which basically boils down to “I don’t have to have sex with you just because you’re nice to me,” and-
its total offensive nature in equal parts to men and to women. It sends the message that everything men do is just a secret cunning ploy to get laid – and that if you can’t have sex with a woman, she isn’t worth spending time with. It’s taking the two most oversimplified sexist attitudes from each side of the divide, tying them up in a pretty package and then complaining when we recognise it for the dog turd it actually is.
The point being that it is founded on the assumption that all guys want is sex, which demeans them, and that all women are good for is sex, which is clearly a horrible thing to believe.
Where I’m Coming From
I think there are three differences in how I view the term versus how the very broad “everyone else” does:
1. Sex Doesn’t Have Anything To Do With It
I mean, it can, but as a person who’s decided to abstain from any kind of sexual activity prior to marriage I typically view dating relationships without that added factor. The writers over at The Vagenda view the hurt parties cursing the “friend zone” as bemoaning a person’s sexual advances being rebuffed, while I’ve always just seen it as feelings going unrequited.
2. Gender Doesn’t Have Anything To Do With It
I’ve never seen this as being a gender-exclusive term. Sure, I’ve known plenty of guys who have become close to girls who never like-liked them back, but I’ve seen the same thing happen to a few girls as well. While they may not have said they were “in the friend zone” or “friendzoned,” I may well have to describe their situation.
3. Fault Doesn’t Have Anything To Do With It
I don’t think anyone is really at fault. Okay, that’s not totally true. I think that, excuse me for being heteronormative for a sec, men generally have the onus when it comes to making their feelings known. See Figure A., below.
If the guy makes his feelings known and the girl doesn’t reciprocate that is not her fault. She can feel how she wants to feel, and she does not owe this dude anything. I mean, as his friend she should maybe feel sorry for him, but that is it.
This seems like it should be an obvious thing, but apparently it isn’t. I don’t blame a person for placing someone in the “friend zone” because that is their prerogative, just as it is to take them out of there. I mean, it’s not some eternal limbo.
Here’s The Problem
Whereas I view the term “friend zone” as simply one person’s romantic feelings not being returned due to them being viewed solely as a friend, I realize that is by no means a definition everyone [or even anyone] else holds to. The issue is that there are connotations, three of which I listed above.
In other words, it’s never just that a guy wants to date a girl, it’s that he wants to get into her pants as well. Following up with that, her refusal to date him paints her as the bad guy, which is, frankly, just terrible. I’m not going to go into the messy world of people leading each other on except to say that both genders have been more than just a little guilty of this.
The fact is that a lot of guys use the “friend zone” as a reason to stand strong in solidarity with their brothers. Refer to Figure B. for a great example.
And you know what? I do feel kind of sad for this guy, and that’s okay. I don’t think that’s something that I should be ashamed of. On that same note, I also don’t think that this needs to turn into a sobfest or a pity party. Yeah, this guy’s clear act of romantic interest was severely misinterpreted, but he either needs to try again or move on. I mean, really.
I still don’t personally view “friend zone” as being misogynistic, even after reading up on it and talking to people who believe it is, but that doesn’t mean that it’s not used that way countless times a day. I also won’t push my definition on you, since I know you don’t just shake connotations from a phrase after reading a blog post some kid wrote. My hope is that through sharing these views on this subject I can help you to maybe think how you’re going to use these words if and when you do, and what you mean by them.
I’ve been friend-zoned and have friend-zoned. Heck, last time I friend-zoned someone, they called me out on it using, as far as I remember, that very term. I had no idea it was misogynistic or that it was directly referring to sex–I mean, isn’t there so much more to romance than sex? In other words, I’m with Evan.
As a little shout-out for Nathanael and the writing he does, you can visit his blog by clicking on the name in his comment above.
Hey it’s me!
So…I’m going to argue against a few things.
“1. Sex Doesn’t Have Anything To Do With It”
The absence of penises entering vaginas (or, even, any physical touching at all, let’s say) does not negate this issue. The misogynistic thing about the “friendzone” thing is more pronounced when it’s “girls are jerks for not having sex with me”, but the misogyny is still there when it’s “girls are jerks when they don’t pay romantic attention to me” or “when they don’t have a specific type of relationship with me”. etc. etc. Get it?
“2. Gender Doesn’t Have Anything To Do With It
“…I’ve seen the same thing happen to a few girls as well. While they may not have said they were “in the friend zone” or “friendzoned,” I may well have to describe their situation.”
No, that’s the point. Those girls wouldn’t say that, because this isn’t a prevalent complaint among young women. Maybe it will be in the future, but it isn’t the problem right now. There is a gender gap. Gender has things to do with it.
The problem is not people who say “I am disappointed that my feelings are not reciprocated!” The problem is people who say “I was kind and friendly to this person and that means they should satisfy my emotional / physical / romantic desires!”. People of all sexes do this. But right now it’s predominately men, and the way they express it often involves violence, or feelings of being cheated out of something to which they were entitled to.
It’s an unhealthy way for people of any gender to conceptualize their relationships, because it minimizes the other person. The problem right now is that we see it as a common complaint among young men (maybe not the thoughtful and stalwart young men that you all hang out with, Evan and Nath.), and it’s one that minimizes women. And I think it’s right to be wary of such patterns, because of the whole minimizing-and-oppressing-women-for-most-of-human-history thing.
^ I agree with Elisa.
I agree with Alisa- especially in the realm of expectation. It’s not the question of what (sex/attention/romantic interest) but the sense of privilege. I.e. I put kindness, and courtesy and favors in and I therefore get something out. At a certain point, every relationship is like that but to become angry (and be publicly comforted for your wound) adds an element of perceived entitlement that’s just not healthy. At a point, an absence of response is not an attack- and to make it so seems wrong.
As a side note, I’ve always wondered what the option B would be to friendzoning: fake dating? It basically argues that my desire to have a romantic relationship should overpower and trump your desire to not have one. What then is the acceptable response to being covertly pursued?
Anyways, good post.
Hey! Good article.
Ok, so I’d like to amend some of the things I said when we were talking about this article.
I said that the term is generally misogynistic. I’d like to rephrase that; the term itself is pretty neutral, but is often used in a misogynistic way – as in, used to paint the girl in a negative light, just because she dared to not be interested in the guy. I could be accused of putting guys in the “friendzone” once or twice; guys who I was friends with, but could not imagine myself dating. And after I found they were interested in me, I would feel really guilty because I wasn’t reciprocating (which is of course ridiculous, though perhaps partly self-inflicted). So having the term friendzone thrown around and used to inflict guilt just pisses me off. It’s not so much the term itself that bothers me, but the way it’s used.
I’m having a difficult time organizing my thoughts right now, but I’m attempting to comment anyway.
First of all, this is a great post. I completely agree with everything you said. I didn’t think there was anything to disagree with, but what do I know? Not much about what a lot of the female population thinks, obviously.
I, as a female, have used the term “friend-zoned” in exactly the way you said you understood it; my feelings of likey-likedness did not appear to be mutual and I was bummed out about it. I have also friend-zoned people. They knew I knew I was doing it and they didn’t try to make me feel like a jerk (probably wouldn’t have worked anyway because I am a jerk about 90% of the time). And sure, I’ve heard a couple dirt bags (look at me, not swearing on your blog) use it in that “I was nice to her and her clothes, like, didn’t magically fall off!” way, but that doesn’t make the term inherently misogynistic. A dirt bag can turn “your mother” into something offensive, so I’m hardly going to get all up in arms when people throw the term around casually.
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Nice post, only SJW retards whine about the term “friendzone”.
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